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Well, bottom line is that she is an idiot. I laughed once I saw her GPA, she didn't work hard enough in college than complains that employers won't hire her. Plus when did any university or college give a guarantee for getting a job in your major after you graduate? To me she is just a lazy ass looking for some easy money in these rough times. She is the type of person who doesn't even deserve to live in our country.

Honestly do any ridiculous sue cases surprise you guys anymore?

Does she actually have any chance of winning this? When I hear about these ridiculous law suits State side I like to assume that the idiot in question will not get anything for their stupidity. Infact I often hope they will be in more debt due to the cost associted with their claim.

Can one of you actually verify it that is the case, or is idiocy going to win out over common sense and logic and this bitch is going to get some money.

It sucks for her she can't get a job, but welcome to the fucking economic crisis.

Does anyone know exactly what the college promises in terms of finding employment? I mean, some colleges basically guarantee that they will find you a job, and if that is the case here, then I don't think it is so easy to say that she's an idiot. The fact is, no institution should be making guarantees that they don't plan to keep.

If I'm not mistaken, she's not suing the college because she's unemployed. Instead she's suing the college because they didn't help her find a job to the same extent that they promised, and I think that is entirely reasonable to at least take the school to court to settle the matter. My college in particular promised that their career services office would work tirelessly to help me find employment, and while I didn't end up utilizing them in my job search, I would have been furious if I did need their help and they didn't at least work as hard as they said they would.

she's useless. like there aren't a ton of other people in her shoes right now?

This is what the lawsuit is about. She may have a case. She may be simply angry. Either way, the article lacks the necessary information in making an acceptable judgment.

I'm more disgusted with the fact that people are too stupid to realize that this girl is the future. College is quickly approaching a level of usefulness that can only be described as "Dick-in-a-Toaster-Like". Prices go up, enrollment goes up, the job market keeps shrinking. It's a matter of time before we have a generation of terminally poor, indebted dumbasses with no ability or skills to speak of besides attending class.

"Hurrdurr, I got mah GBD in Bizniz adminterin'. Derp derp derp." Sorry honey, not everybody is smart enough to administrate a business, and perhaps, upon getting a 2.7, you might have taken note that you might not be cut out for it. There's other degrees. Cheaper degrees even... Or you could not just dump truckloads of money into owning that piece of paper, get a couple of certs and go into IT.

/Has seen many of his high school chums back from college working as cashiers.

The University of Maryland Career Services Dept has been very helpful! Also costs less in-state.

ps. find me a job.

No shit?

Of course they are going to favour students with better grades. That's called life. Had she worked harder she could have improved her grades and not be in the position she is in now.

Should they be treating everyone equally? Sure. Are they going to? Of course not. It's easier for them to find placements for those better qualified. That's the way the world works.

She is complaining about something thousands if not millions of other people will be going through. Furthermore, rather then take some responsibility she is blaming someone else for all her trouble.

In my mind thats something idiots do. At some point down the line if she can't find the work, she is doing something wrong. Be is looking in the wrong places, in the wrong way or even at the wrong time, but she has to accept some sort of responsibility. As I mentioned before, she could have better grades had she worked harder and find herself in a more benificial position right now.

While the credit crunch is a factor out of her control I get the feeling there are plenty of things she could have done in the past to not be in the position she is in now and there are certainly more things she could be doing in the future.

what she's suing for is beyond anyone's control and is too subjective to build a case over; it's unreasonable to go to court for "insufficient effort" and "no one's hiring". The judge should remind her that these are the consequences of a recession, and that she is kind of a bitch

ps. i support both options #1 & #3, but mainly #3 as it is backed by empirical evidence and therefore infallible

Did Fr4gged put on weight or are we just making fun of him?

It's not at all unreasonable to go to court if a college uses "we will do everything we can possibly do to find you a job" as a selling point (it is a business, afterall), and then they don't actually follow through with that promise.

If what she says is true, then I don't understand why you all are so outraged by this. When an institution promises to do something in order to make a sale, and they don't follow through with their promise, then it is completely reasonable to hold them accountable. I'm not saying that is the case here because like all of you I lack the necessary information to make such a judgment, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to me at all that this could be the circumstances at hand.

She's not suing the school because she's unemployed; she's suing the school because she does not feel it lived up to the promises that it made as a means to get her to pay them $70,000. Why on earth should schools be allowed to get away with false advertising?

Do you think she'd be suing the school if she were employed?

Can someone show me an ad or brochure or something like that of a school guaranteeing to get you a job after you graduate?

I'm not being sarcastic, I'd really like to see something like that... any school with any sense would NEVER claim something so ridiculous.

No, but then school would have fulfilled its promise.

Plenty of schools have co-op, or interning aid and counseling. And plenty have a career center. Now I've never been in a career center in my life, mind you, but I have been in a writing center, and every writing center employee would tell me wildly different things that the center handled/helped with. From JUST editing, down to help doing the freakin' research. I would not be surprised if every writing center had completely different mission statements. Nothing that says, "we guarantee an A+", but possibly as clear as "We guarantee that every student will have access to a writing tutor from the hours of x to y, and that these tutors will provide guidance in the realms of a, b and c.

It's not unreasonable for me to imagine a career center guaranteeing the service of providing employment leads, connections, referrals, resume consultation, interviewing consultation, etc.

This young lady, however, needs to man up and make friends at a company she wants to work at. Did she not apply to colleges herself? Just let her high school counselor do that for her?

I didn't even realize that GPA mattered on most job applications. I certainly never filled it out on one. All they looked at was previous job experience and level of school completed.

Completely irrelevant. The relevant question is why, after getting a degree, does she feel entitled to the full cost of said degree. The paper might be worthless, or not. But she paid for it and received it. So that transaction was lawfully completed. A legit complaint would require the amount translate more directly to her current dilemma as compared to the amount of service she was promised vs. provided.

So lets say they promised to give her a list of potential employers. I think Drexel does this, for example. If they gave her one name (I think the article said she received 2, and that neither panned out), then they completed their end of the bargain, but not in spirit. I could give you 2 names of companies, but that's not a service unless you vet those companies to see if they are interested in the talent you have to provide. If I got a Drexel Mech. Engineering degree, and they gave me a list of 3 names, 2 of which were for Robotics companies and one of which was for a Construction Foreman, I might be inclined to complain. We don't have that detail.

However, we do know that she has the degree she paid for, and should not be reimbursed for that *fulfilled* promise.

That is what's outrageous to me, Court. The basis of integrity for this chicks argument is blown to shit because she's too greedy about it. She doesn't want the job. And with hundreds of thousands of *experienced workers* currently experiencing the same thing this young lady is, I think that the expectations that the school set for her 4 - 6 years ago may need some adjusting.

Also saying that servicing a student with a 4.0 (aka Attractive Employment Prospect), before servicing the 2.7 student is somehow discriminatory is asinine.

I did terrible in school. I never blamed the school for that.

I work for the career center for my school, and we'd never claim something so preposterous.

We claim to HELP people find jobs, and to provide them with as many resources and opportunities available to us, but nowhere do we say "if you come to us you will definitely leave with a job".

Edit: not even to mention the fact that I have ever seen any favor placed on grades or that grades were even used in detirmining who gets what jobs, etc.

word, this was what i was going to say. The school never promised they would explicitly do such and such, and clearly they did try to help her therefore by virtue that promise is fulfilled. So again, what is left to hash out except "insufficient effort" on the school's behalf. How this woman decides to builds a court case with that hinges on how big of an asshole she is.

Can you show me exactly what the school promised her?

her 2.7 gpa is the reason she can't find a job, not the school's career services.



But if she had a 3.0, she could have been president :x

He shockingly missed my point.

I'd like to clarify, since he agreed with me, that we have insufficient information to make a judgment on the merits of this girl's court case or the legitimacy of her complaints.

However, based solely on the fact that she's trying to recoup her ENTIRE TUITION for an infraction that is the fault of a department which no more than 15% of her tuition paid for betrays a level of greed that is inconsistent with the severity of her complaint. I posit that her motivation for this litigation is less than pure at best. Once that's called into question, one has to wonder whether she's even pissed at the school, or whether she's just pissed at being poor and thinks she's clever enough to get a big payday while making the news.

Shit... the 2.7 is sufficient for president. In fact, I think a 2.7 gpa would be a better asset while running for president than a 4.0, since a 4.0 would get you painted as an elitist pinko commie who loves college and all of his pinko commie college professors. And they love his pinko commie ass right back. And he likes that. In the ass. Cause he's gay.

I suspect she can't get a job because the market is glutted, there's a recession, and she's a litigious, vindictive bitch with no sense of personal-responsibility. Good interviewers are pretty solid when it comes to rooting out personality flaws that people like to think they *don't* wear on their sleeve.

Calling someone a pinko commie is sooooo 1970. It's socialist now. I suggest you get on board.

I get the feeling she lacks personal responsibility as well, but to be fair, we must hear her case.

I feel the need to clarify, I don't think it is her 2.7 gpa that is the reason she can't get a job. I think the market is the reason she can't get a job.

I graduated with a 2.7 gpa and had an awesome job lined up before I graduated. Different fields, different times.

But that's pretty irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

"Every student at Monroe College has a Career Advisor, who provides one-on-one assistance with career decision-making, resume and letter writing, and job search strategies. The Office of Career Advancement helps with career assessment, resume writing, job search and strategy, employer recruitment and placement, interviewing skills, and other job search guidance. Registering with E-recruiting allows you to view online job listings, post a resume to the database, and access additional web-based career resources."

i didn't mean for you to take my above comments literally, i was (poorly) generalizing. I just meant that this is an outlandish claim augmented by the fact that she does not mention anything specifically the school did not help her with (none of which are listed above). Given the limited amount information, I feel her complaint is baseless and shouldn't warrant further consideration by anyone

But the thing is, it isn't even in her best interest to disclose all of the details of her case, so it is unlikely that what you read in these short articles is as thorough as necessary to formulate a decision on this. Since the whole point of our judiciary system is to find out the truth about something and hold people accountable for their actions in an objective, clear-headed manner, I surely hope the judge that must decide whether to hear the case does so with far less uninformed poor judgment than what you guys have exhibited in this thread.

I'm not saying you can't weigh in on the issue, but there is a difference between discussing the merits of such an inquiry and arbitrarily assigning sweeping personal judgments on a person like this based only on the extremely limited knowledge you gleamed off a few media outlets.

I should also clarify. There are valuable college degrees out there. But the attitude we have in this world right now of getting degrees because it's the next thing to do after high school is due for a shake-up. This girl spent 70k based on an assumption that when she graduated she'd be able to get a management position at a fortune 500 company. Unfortunately, so did the other 500 graduates of her schools program (an out-of-my-ass number) and so did the other graduates from the other 3000 schools in this country.

She didn't get a job because she picked a freaking BBA... that's fit for managing *MAYBE* a Starbucks. It's not even an MBA, which are a dime a dozen... Everybody wants to be the boss these days. It's crappy. And I have a tinge of disdain for the sort of person that falls for it.

/you're better off with a freakin' bartending degree right now. Go to it, indebted girl. If you're cute you'll make good tips. If not, you better make good drinks.

/GIS "welcome to the internet"
//Why yes, I'm feeling lucky, thanks.

I can't tell you what they did promise, but I can tell you what they didn't promise.



Like the statement says No College can guarantee a job to a graduate. The fact that the school even helped her a little bit was more than a lot of schools would do for their alumni.

Her suit isn't about not getting a job. It is that the college didn't fulfill its promises in helping her search for one. There is a bit of a difference. If the knowledge comes out that the college set up interviews and spread her resumè, the college would seem to have helped. If the college did nothing to help her, then she could very well have a winning case. Anything in between would be a gray area.

The college didn't guarantee a job, but it did promise to help.

Meaning they did try to help her, but it wasn't enough for her. Sounds to me like she is suing because she didn't get a job. Like Mungo said, if she had a job she wouldn't be suing the school. And like I said before, the school even helping her a little bit is more than most school's would help you with.

To be fair, there can easily be a gap between what the nature of a lawsuit "sounds like" to a layman, and what it actually is. In particular when the layman is predisposed to thinking the plaintiff is a dickwad.

Here are two potential scenarios that fit the facts we have at our disposal.

1. The college helped her draft her resume, and gave her access to a database of prospective employers who would be interested in her skill set.
2. The college gives her a list of some good mechanics she can be the secretary of. With no phone numbers attached. And the list has a shit stain on it.

I'd be annoyed with number 2 myself. But she's approaching this from the wrong angle. She should totally make it a gender discrimination case.

I'm not sure of this, but I find it hard to believe that most universities and institutions wouldn't have a career services department. The fact that most students don't care enough to utilize them is a shame. It is actually a competitive edge for a school to have one ("Our graduates make an average of $x a year within y years of graduation").

Again, if the school made a promise and doesn't deliver, they are responsible. That's it.

I agree that it sounds like an angry, unemployed, misled person, but I haven't seen any facts to back up one way or the other. Until the court case closes, I can't make an accurate judgment.

btw, is anyone else bothered by the fact that this poll is entirely wasted on fragged?

We have the power frat. We can undo what has been done!

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